Sobchak and former RT head Krasovsky rode in a paddy wagon around Moscow during an interview. "Stop, f***. Am I a hostage?"

Anton Krasovsky and Ksenia Sobchak are having a conversation in a paddy wagon. Video screenshot: sobchak / YouTube

Anton Krasovsky at various times worked for the publishing house "Kommersant", on television, and also held the position of editor-in-chief of "Snob" magazine.

Since 2020, Krasovsky worked as the director of Russian-language broadcasting for the Russia Today TV channel. In October 2022, after a scandalous broadcast in which he called for "drowning and burning" Ukrainian children, Krasovsky was suspended from RT.

Krasovsky was once a close associate of Ksenia Sobchak: in 2018, he headed her campaign staff during the presidential elections in Russia.

Part of his current interview with Sobchak took place in a rented paddy wagon, which was moving through the streets of Moscow. At one point, Krasovsky began to demand the paddy wagon be stopped:

“Stop, f***, please, the bus, I'll switch to my car. Stop the bus at the stop! I'll, f***, cover your fines. (…) What, you didn't understand me? Am I a hostage, I don't understand?”

As a result, Sobchak asked them to stop at the nearest stop. Krasovsky, who said he felt unwell, got into his car. The conversation continued after some time in Krasovsky's apartment.

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Krasovsky leaves the paddy wagon. Video screenshot: sobchak / YouTube

“I consider Ukraine part of the Russian Empire”

Ksenia Sobchak reminded Krasovsky that even friends turned away from him due to his radical stance. The host himself stated in an interview that writer Sergei Minaev stopped communicating with him because Krasovsky “...went crazy about the war.”

Sobchak asked him to explain what these words meant.

“This was my war. For me, it was never a war by order and isn't. That is, no one told me that I needed to be for the war,” Krasovsky replied and mentioned that he lived for four years in Volhynia as a child (his father was the head of the design bureau of the Rivne Nuclear Power Plant).

According to Krasovsky, he was impressed when he saw the broadcast of the start of military operations on February 24, 2022, when rockets flew towards cities familiar to him — Lutsk, Kovel, Rivne.

According to the host, some of his Ukrainian classmates died in eastern Ukraine back in 2014-2018. “This is my land, my territory,” Krasovsky says about Ukraine.

“But you consider it (Ukraine. — NN) your country, as part of Russia?” Sobchak clarified.

“My homeland is the hero-city Moscow. My homeland is the USSR. My homeland is the Russian Empire. I consider it part of the Russian Empire. For me, it is some kind of internal empire,” Krasovsky replied.

When is Krasovsky sincere?

In October 2022, Krasovsky stated on RT that Ukrainian children who consider Russia an occupier should be "drowned in a swiftly flowing river." After this, he was fired from the channel and recorded a video of repentance. In it, he called himself a fool.

However, later on one of the YouTube projects, when asked if he regretted his words, Krasovsky replied "no".

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Video screenshot: sobchak / YouTube

“At what moment were you sincere?” Sobchak clarified.

“I am sincere in each of these moments. (…) I just formulated the phrase incorrectly then. But the meaning of that phrase was very simple, what I said about children, such Ukrainian children. That is, if a Russian soldier is truly walking through Berlin, and the Hitler Youth shoots him in the back — what do we do with this Hitler Youth? That's what I said. I was just, as it were, in a frenzy. And I sincerely apologized,” Krasovsky explained.

However, as it turned out during the conversation, Krasovsky's apologies were not addressed to children or war victims, but to his leadership:

“I sincerely apologized because I understood that I had thus put Margarita [Simonyan] in a difficult position. (…) I apologized for these people.”

“Should Kyiv be taken?”

When asked by Sobchak whether he considered it necessary to take Kyiv, Krasovsky replied:

“I would formulate it as ‘Can Kyiv be taken?’ rather than ‘Should Kyiv be taken?’ If the question was ‘Should Kyiv be taken?’ — of course, it should. And Warsaw should too.”

“Why Warsaw? Why take Kyiv?” Sobchak inquired.

“These are our cities. This is the Russian Empire. Because, as Comrade Stalin said to Winston Churchill in an apocryphal story, when asked ‘Why do you need Lviv, it's not a Russian city?’, Comrade Stalin replied: ‘But Warsaw is Russian.’ I will repeat again: I have already said this, I am a person who lives in the categories of the Russian Empire, the Russian Empire. For me, Kyiv is a Russian city.”

But taking Kyiv is impossible now, says Krasovsky, because it "costs too many Russian lives."

I would then ask: would I want Kyiv, would I want this land to be part of the great Russian empire again? Yes, I would. Would I want there to be a great Russian empire with a Russian emperor at all? Yes, I would. But that won't happen now. And if I had to make a decision, millions of lives in exchange for Kyiv — I would choose millions of lives. People are already dying, but let them not die in exchange for what isn't there. In exchange for land without an idea,” Krasovsky explained.

About the dance on the balcony in "Army of Russia" pajamas

While in Krasovsky's apartment, Sobchak immediately drew attention to the balcony and asked if it was there that Krasovsky joyfully danced in "Army of Russia" pajamas to the sounds of a military march in the first days of the invasion. He later posted the video of the dance on social media. The journalist confirmed this.

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That dance of Krasovsky on the balcony. Video screenshot

Sobchak asked if Krasovsky regretted that dance.

“No, I don't regret it. I'm not ashamed of that dance. Ideologically, I'm not ashamed, but aesthetically, I would have done it somehow more interestingly. Aesthetically, some things I did, do, and, I'm sure, if I'm alive, will do — I don't like them. I looked like an asshole in that situation,” Krasovsky replied.

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